1 00:00:00,790 --> 00:00:07,320 [Music] 2 00:00:10,950 --> 00:00:09,110 [Applause] 3 00:00:13,140 --> 00:00:10,960 first I really appreciated the 4 00:00:16,020 --> 00:00:13,150 presentation by a honeybee very nice 5 00:00:31,290 --> 00:00:16,030 work we also were one of the groups that 6 00:00:34,860 --> 00:00:31,300 received a cold tech okay 7 00:00:37,530 --> 00:00:34,870 we received a a cold tech grant and we 8 00:00:41,160 --> 00:00:37,540 pursued a very specific path with this 9 00:00:44,100 --> 00:00:41,170 we have had several cryo bot projects at 10 00:00:45,540 --> 00:00:44,110 the lab now for the past 10 years in 11 00:00:47,220 --> 00:00:45,550 fact and have looked at a lot of 12 00:00:49,590 --> 00:00:47,230 different technologies everything from 13 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:49,600 melt probes to closed cycle hot water 14 00:00:57,330 --> 00:00:53,110 drills and a an alternative that we hit 15 00:01:00,540 --> 00:00:57,340 on back in 2015 was using tuned 16 00:01:04,590 --> 00:01:00,550 wavelength lasers that match the 17 00:01:07,010 --> 00:01:04,600 absorption frequency of solid ice and so 18 00:01:10,620 --> 00:01:07,020 the idea came up as well if you build a 19 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:10,630 small highly efficient probe to get 20 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:12,490 through a short distance of ice we're 21 00:01:17,550 --> 00:01:15,970 not talking about a full depth 20 22 00:01:19,950 --> 00:01:17,560 kilometer penetrator here this is more 23 00:01:22,469 --> 00:01:19,960 of a lightweight Lander style mission 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:22,479 whether it's a Martian polar cap or or 25 00:01:29,789 --> 00:01:26,650 the Europa Lander and we needed a place 26 00:01:32,359 --> 00:01:29,799 to to test this concept and so there 27 00:01:34,710 --> 00:01:32,369 really weren't any true cryo bot 28 00:01:38,999 --> 00:01:34,720 chambers available in which there was a 29 00:01:42,270 --> 00:01:39,009 large cylinder of ice kept at Europa 30 00:01:43,710 --> 00:01:42,280 temperatures and and vacuum and so we 31 00:01:45,899 --> 00:01:43,720 designed and built this facility we're 32 00:01:50,399 --> 00:01:45,909 operating it now it is active up and 33 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:50,409 running in Austin and when we first got 34 00:01:54,539 --> 00:01:52,810 it running and had had a slug of ice in 35 00:01:57,330 --> 00:01:54,549 there sitting at liquid nitrogen 36 00:01:59,580 --> 00:01:57,340 temperature the first thing that we 37 00:02:02,460 --> 00:01:59,590 wanted to look at was an old question 38 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:02,470 that had been kind of raised in the 39 00:02:08,999 --> 00:02:06,610 2000s regarding whether a pure a passive 40 00:02:11,069 --> 00:02:09,009 thermal probe was going to stall out 41 00:02:14,780 --> 00:02:11,079 there were suggestions from this from 42 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:14,790 German researcher DLR and so we built a 43 00:02:21,030 --> 00:02:17,290 three point two centimeter diameter 44 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:21,040 system and tested that out in the ice 45 00:02:24,509 --> 00:02:22,510 fully expecting that 46 00:02:29,910 --> 00:02:24,519 was going to stall out and so here's a 47 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:29,920 video that hopefully will play and this 48 00:02:35,699 --> 00:02:33,250 is this is sped up about 300 times just 49 00:02:37,649 --> 00:02:35,709 so you get the idea here that things are 50 00:02:39,690 --> 00:02:37,659 not happening fast when you're going to 51 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:39,700 early passive thermal however the thing 52 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:41,680 that surprised everybody was the fact 53 00:02:45,990 --> 00:02:43,810 that it went down 54 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:46,000 we actually penetrated down to about two 55 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:48,610 and a half vehicle lengths before we had 56 00:02:56,039 --> 00:02:52,209 a stall out at the vacuum seal where the 57 00:02:57,569 --> 00:02:56,049 rod goes into the chamber but nothing 58 00:02:58,710 --> 00:02:57,579 appears to be stopping at what we did 59 00:03:01,619 --> 00:02:58,720 see however it was something very 60 00:03:05,729 --> 00:03:01,629 similar to a dlr saw which is a trumpet 61 00:03:07,470 --> 00:03:05,739 shaped radiation ablated zone going in 62 00:03:12,119 --> 00:03:07,480 where you're wasting a lot of energy 63 00:03:15,089 --> 00:03:12,129 just trying to get started if you plot 64 00:03:17,970 --> 00:03:15,099 this up you can see the the curve here 65 00:03:20,099 --> 00:03:17,980 of depth versus energy in a watt hours 66 00:03:23,009 --> 00:03:20,109 that we're putting in here there was a 67 00:03:25,259 --> 00:03:23,019 stall point in the middle where the the 68 00:03:26,699 --> 00:03:25,269 vacuum seal bound up we had to jiggle it 69 00:03:28,819 --> 00:03:26,709 to get it to keep going the reason we 70 00:03:32,069 --> 00:03:28,829 were doing this is because we had a 71 00:03:34,140 --> 00:03:32,079 edged marker on the rod to let us know 72 00:03:36,659 --> 00:03:34,150 how far the vehicle had gone down per 73 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:36,669 watt hour of descent so once it started 74 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:38,530 back up and we were below the hole 75 00:03:42,629 --> 00:03:40,209 closure rate and and by the way the 76 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:42,639 supposition that the hole closes is no 77 00:03:46,650 --> 00:03:43,900 longer conjecture 78 00:03:48,780 --> 00:03:46,660 we saw it it's real and after a certain 79 00:03:51,180 --> 00:03:48,790 point it will bind around anything that 80 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:51,190 is holding that probe up so anything 81 00:03:56,580 --> 00:03:54,130 that goes below a vehicle length or two 82 00:03:59,129 --> 00:03:56,590 is going to have to be free controlled 83 00:04:00,870 --> 00:03:59,139 from this point forward the nice thing 84 00:04:03,390 --> 00:04:00,880 about it was that green line that you 85 00:04:06,869 --> 00:04:03,400 see there was our thermal modeling that 86 00:04:10,140 --> 00:04:06,879 was built around the a mod equation for 87 00:04:11,729 --> 00:04:10,150 a traveling vehicle and so that was kind 88 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:11,739 of reassuring to know that we're on 89 00:04:18,060 --> 00:04:14,220 target with our simulations as well 90 00:04:21,060 --> 00:04:18,070 looking at cryovac behavior the other 91 00:04:23,310 --> 00:04:21,070 nice thing is we had designed the 92 00:04:24,659 --> 00:04:23,320 chamber to be large enough so that the 93 00:04:27,210 --> 00:04:24,669 boundary conditions would maintain 94 00:04:29,460 --> 00:04:27,220 Europa ice and we tracked that 95 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:29,470 performance over more than a kilowatt 96 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:32,130 hour of energy being pumped into the ice 97 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:34,510 from that probe and you can see from 98 00:04:38,159 --> 00:04:35,889 that the middle plot they 99 00:04:41,159 --> 00:04:38,169 we had some minor changes in vacuum why 100 00:04:43,469 --> 00:04:41,169 because you're sublimating ice out into 101 00:04:46,110 --> 00:04:43,479 the atmosphere and the three-state pumps 102 00:04:48,300 --> 00:04:46,120 have to pull that back down the bottom 103 00:04:49,980 --> 00:04:48,310 line there the green solid line is the 104 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:49,990 temperature of the ice near all the 105 00:04:52,740 --> 00:04:51,250 chamber it's sitting down there at 106 00:04:55,679 --> 00:04:52,750 liquid nitrogen temperature not doing 107 00:04:57,420 --> 00:04:55,689 much the dotted line is a string of 108 00:04:59,580 --> 00:04:57,430 thermocouples that was immediately 109 00:05:02,129 --> 00:04:59,590 adjacent to the probe itself so you can 110 00:05:05,670 --> 00:05:02,139 see that we are radiating energy out 111 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:05,680 into the ice and it's picking that up so 112 00:05:10,379 --> 00:05:08,710 the real test was what is going to 113 00:05:13,499 --> 00:05:10,389 happen if we change the game here 114 00:05:17,969 --> 00:05:13,509 instead of using a passive probe we pump 115 00:05:20,129 --> 00:05:17,979 optical power down to the system on a 116 00:05:21,959 --> 00:05:20,139 spacecraft this would be a card a board 117 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:21,969 level laser for the test that we did 118 00:05:27,860 --> 00:05:24,310 this was an industrial 10 70 nanometer 119 00:05:31,499 --> 00:05:27,870 laser which we sent by fiber optic 120 00:05:34,939 --> 00:05:31,509 thread it's about a 200 micron device 121 00:05:37,890 --> 00:05:34,949 and there were optics inside a Tyrolean 122 00:05:39,689 --> 00:05:37,900 tellurium copper head here we had two 123 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:39,699 different types that we wanted to look 124 00:05:45,420 --> 00:05:41,680 at to kind of bracket the a mod equation 125 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:45,430 one was where we had the portion of the 126 00:05:52,079 --> 00:05:49,089 beam about 54% of the power being dumped 127 00:05:53,490 --> 00:05:52,089 into the sidewalls of the vehicle to 128 00:05:55,740 --> 00:05:53,500 make sure that the vehicle didn't freeze 129 00:05:57,809 --> 00:05:55,750 in and then the rest of that was going 130 00:06:00,779 --> 00:05:57,819 out optically into the ice depositing 131 00:06:04,260 --> 00:06:00,789 over a distance of about a vehicle and a 132 00:06:06,420 --> 00:06:04,270 half length ahead of the system allowing 133 00:06:09,059 --> 00:06:06,430 it to move through that Isis it went 134 00:06:11,850 --> 00:06:09,069 forward and so here's a there's a video 135 00:06:13,499 --> 00:06:11,860 of this you see all the the refreeze on 136 00:06:16,670 --> 00:06:13,509 the outside of the probe is dropping off 137 00:06:19,649 --> 00:06:16,680 now it's turned up we're pumping about 138 00:06:21,540 --> 00:06:19,659 340 watts through this right now and 139 00:06:24,059 --> 00:06:21,550 interestingly not the thing that we 140 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:24,069 conjectured for a long time is that it 141 00:06:29,999 --> 00:06:26,409 is sublimating out and forming a nice 142 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:30,009 little crystal cone on the outside of 143 00:06:36,209 --> 00:06:33,550 the of the hole the one thing that was 144 00:06:38,610 --> 00:06:36,219 kind of a surprise is that we were 145 00:06:41,129 --> 00:06:38,620 getting extremely high efficiency out of 146 00:06:42,899 --> 00:06:41,139 this thing okay honeybee can go back and 147 00:06:44,309 --> 00:06:42,909 check these numbers if you wish but we 148 00:06:47,010 --> 00:06:44,319 were getting three watt hours per 149 00:06:49,270 --> 00:06:47,020 centimeter of descent this was for a 150 00:06:52,870 --> 00:06:49,280 three point 2 centimeter diameter of 151 00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:52,880 probe extremely efficient about sixteen 152 00:06:58,300 --> 00:06:54,889 times better than what we were seeing 153 00:07:00,430 --> 00:06:58,310 with the the passive probe we tried a 154 00:07:02,500 --> 00:07:00,440 shorter version the idea here was okay 155 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:02,510 what happens if you dump all the energy 156 00:07:06,909 --> 00:07:04,370 into the Ison so because we're doing 157 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:06,919 this optically we can actually determine 158 00:07:12,430 --> 00:07:09,530 how far ahead of the vehicle we want to 159 00:07:14,470 --> 00:07:12,440 deposit the the energy and so here's a 160 00:07:15,790 --> 00:07:14,480 here's a version of this test here again 161 00:07:18,129 --> 00:07:15,800 this is sped up about thirty times 162 00:07:19,900 --> 00:07:18,139 you'll notice our little Lego helicopter 163 00:07:22,450 --> 00:07:19,910 is moving that's because sublimate is 164 00:07:25,150 --> 00:07:22,460 flashing out of the hole and creating a 165 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:25,160 bit of pressure which is sensed not that 166 00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:26,690 we put it in there to do that but it was 167 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:28,910 a side product you'll notice that you 168 00:07:35,740 --> 00:07:32,330 can still see just the rear rim of the 169 00:07:38,370 --> 00:07:35,750 the vehicle in there the reason for that 170 00:07:41,770 --> 00:07:38,380 is because the backend of the vehicle 171 00:07:45,790 --> 00:07:41,780 froze down to a temperature at allowed 172 00:07:47,980 --> 00:07:45,800 it to bind in the hole once we got deep 173 00:07:50,740 --> 00:07:47,990 enough and so the answer is we had 174 00:07:53,380 --> 00:07:50,750 correctly bracketed the a mod equation 175 00:07:54,940 --> 00:07:53,390 what needs to be done now is to tune how 176 00:07:56,950 --> 00:07:54,950 much of the energy you want to pump into 177 00:07:59,350 --> 00:07:56,960 the sidewall how you distribute that 178 00:08:01,930 --> 00:07:59,360 through bimetallic and heat pump systems 179 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:01,940 and then how much you put into the the 180 00:08:06,850 --> 00:08:04,610 nose to get the fastest descent for the 181 00:08:08,770 --> 00:08:06,860 least amount of energy so we just looks 182 00:08:12,460 --> 00:08:08,780 for some quick comparison here the red 183 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:12,470 line is the passive probe the blue line 184 00:08:16,270 --> 00:08:14,930 is the longer probe in which we're 185 00:08:18,190 --> 00:08:16,280 putting a little bit of the heat into 186 00:08:20,290 --> 00:08:18,200 the sidewalls we're looking at about 187 00:08:24,990 --> 00:08:20,300 three watt hours per centimeter for the 188 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:25,000 laser probe versus about 24 watt hours 189 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:29,570 for the the passive probe and the speed 190 00:08:35,829 --> 00:08:33,169 is about actually nine times faster with 191 00:08:37,779 --> 00:08:35,839 the the laser probe so we're in the 192 00:08:39,909 --> 00:08:37,789 limits of what we would expect for 193 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:39,919 example to be comparison comparing 194 00:08:44,110 --> 00:08:41,570 ourselves with a mechanical drill at the 195 00:08:45,820 --> 00:08:44,120 surface also the interesting thing here 196 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:45,830 is that while many people have thought 197 00:08:50,260 --> 00:08:48,170 there would be a starting problem for 198 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:50,270 this class of instrument both the laser 199 00:08:58,640 --> 00:08:52,730 and the passive probe we've not seen 200 00:09:04,820 --> 00:09:01,580 okay last slide here before conclusions 201 00:09:08,090 --> 00:09:04,830 this is comparing the laser probe in 202 00:09:10,430 --> 00:09:08,100 blue long version versus the short 203 00:09:13,970 --> 00:09:10,440 version again the issue was that 204 00:09:15,380 --> 00:09:13,980 eventually we had a lock-up in the 205 00:09:17,090 --> 00:09:15,390 vehicle in the case of the blue one it 206 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:17,100 was not the probe itself it was the 207 00:09:21,470 --> 00:09:18,510 support rod that we were using to 208 00:09:23,230 --> 00:09:21,480 measure the descent rate so from this 209 00:09:26,690 --> 00:09:23,240 point forward what we're doing is 210 00:09:28,610 --> 00:09:26,700 putting a deployable fiber on the back 211 00:09:30,980 --> 00:09:28,620 of the vehicle a small fibrous board 212 00:09:32,870 --> 00:09:30,990 carries about five meters worth the 213 00:09:35,510 --> 00:09:32,880 fiber and the next tests that are 214 00:09:38,570 --> 00:09:35,520 scheduled now for September will be free 215 00:09:41,420 --> 00:09:38,580 fall tests with the probe spooling out 216 00:09:43,010 --> 00:09:41,430 the fiber as it goes down and hopefully 217 00:09:45,140 --> 00:09:43,020 we'll get probably on the order of two 218 00:09:47,690 --> 00:09:45,150 and a half meters worth of penetration 219 00:09:49,700 --> 00:09:47,700 data so just a couple things for the 220 00:09:51,650 --> 00:09:49,710 takeaway we have an operational chamber 221 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:51,660 right now that is effectively the 222 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:54,210 surface of Europa we've got good vacuum 223 00:10:01,070 --> 00:09:58,530 sitting at 77 Kelvin and 2.3 meters of 224 00:10:04,250 --> 00:10:01,080 ice that you can go through if anybody 225 00:10:07,910 --> 00:10:04,260 needs that kind of facility let us know 226 00:10:09,950 --> 00:10:07,920 we'd be happy to collaborate when we 227 00:10:12,530 --> 00:10:09,960 look at Europa surface conditions we now 228 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:12,540 have hard data showing what some of 229 00:10:17,780 --> 00:10:14,970 these probes do the hot penny probe 230 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:17,790 actually works it's just very slow and 231 00:10:22,550 --> 00:10:19,680 energy inefficient certainly for the 232 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:22,560 initial stage the good news is there 233 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:24,690 that several different types of probes 234 00:10:30,350 --> 00:10:28,110 that are possible candidates for getting 235 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:30,360 all the way through the ice cap are now 236 00:10:33,860 --> 00:10:32,610 enabled by that piece of data it'll take 237 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:33,870 a little while to get a couple of 238 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:35,370 vehicle lanes through but once you do 239 00:10:39,290 --> 00:10:37,110 the hole is going to close we saw that 240 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:39,300 that's real and then you're going to 241 00:10:43,430 --> 00:10:41,730 build up vapor pressure to allow melt 242 00:10:46,010 --> 00:10:43,440 probes to actually work in that 243 00:10:48,020 --> 00:10:46,020 environment we have a test coming up 244 00:10:50,870 --> 00:10:48,030 it's called prometheus under the sesame 245 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:50,880 program in which we're building a micro 246 00:10:56,870 --> 00:10:54,330 closed cycle hot-water drill to take off 247 00:11:00,500 --> 00:10:56,880 once it achieves passive mode descent 248 00:11:03,590 --> 00:11:00,510 and locks into the ice and then this law 249 00:11:07,340 --> 00:11:03,600 we're looking at onboard fiber spooling 250 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:07,350 for the the Archimedes probe the utility 251 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:09,510 of that approach is that if you're 252 00:11:15,979 --> 00:11:11,970 looking at trying to get information 253 00:11:18,199 --> 00:11:15,989 in the 1 to 10 even 25 meter descent 254 00:11:20,839 --> 00:11:18,209 range into ice this is an extremely 255 00:11:23,179 --> 00:11:20,849 energy efficient approach using the 256 00:11:26,529 --> 00:11:23,189 laser in fact it it's something that 257 00:11:30,129 --> 00:11:26,539 would work off a battery powered non RTG 258 00:11:32,779 --> 00:11:30,139 lander and so for us these were 259 00:11:39,649 --> 00:11:32,789 surprising pieces of data that have now 260 00:11:41,479 --> 00:11:39,659 come out of the chamber everyone one 261 00:11:49,429 --> 00:11:41,489 quick question while we're transitioning 262 00:11:51,949 --> 00:11:49,439 here Oh super cold bill Sam Howell JPL 263 00:11:53,929 --> 00:11:51,959 my question is right now you have 264 00:11:56,629 --> 00:11:53,939 relatively narrow diameter probe and I 265 00:11:59,239 --> 00:11:56,639 wonder if the ratio of the diameter of 266 00:12:00,799 --> 00:11:59,249 the column ated beam to the diameter of 267 00:12:02,689 --> 00:12:00,809 the probe matters where you're actually 268 00:12:04,159 --> 00:12:02,699 dumping that optical energy into if you 269 00:12:06,229 --> 00:12:04,169 scale it to the size of something that 270 00:12:09,229 --> 00:12:06,239 can be instrumented you have to scale up 271 00:12:11,629 --> 00:12:09,239 the size of the collimated beam 272 00:12:13,579 --> 00:12:11,639 minnesota's you know the energy required 273 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:13,589 to get the optical energy into the 274 00:12:18,499 --> 00:12:16,649 iscope with like r-squared or something 275 00:12:21,139 --> 00:12:18,509 we've played with both of these the 276 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:21,149 original probe that we developed in warm 277 00:12:26,210 --> 00:12:23,970 ice had a much bigger lens this was more 278 00:12:28,129 --> 00:12:26,220 about trying to compare it with an 279 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:28,139 existing passive probe that we had so we 280 00:12:31,999 --> 00:12:30,689 had apples to apples comparison and so 281 00:12:36,199 --> 00:12:32,009 those are those are experimental 282 00:12:39,169 --> 00:12:36,209 variables that we are looking at this is 283 00:12:40,429 --> 00:12:39,179 not really a cryo bot okay in the sense 284 00:12:41,539 --> 00:12:40,439 that you're carrying an intelligent 285 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:41,549 system with you and it's a 286 00:12:46,429 --> 00:12:43,169 self-contained device it requires a 287 00:12:48,739 --> 00:12:46,439 surface based laser power supply to do 288 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:48,749 that however what I didn't have time to 289 00:12:54,979 --> 00:12:50,970 go into there is that it will carry a 290 00:12:57,379 --> 00:12:54,989 fiber Raman a probe that does a side 291 00:12:59,059 --> 00:12:57,389 look into the ice as it goes time this 292 00:13:02,569 --> 00:12:59,069 is being developed in parallel on this